Everyone was happy. But when we got acquired and then the integration came in, it took almost 9 months for us to move from AWS one account to another account.

Welcome to Day2 DevOps, where the Dev Oops is in the details. I'm Ned Belvant, and I'm joined by my copacetic co-host, Kyler Middleton.

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Today we have a sponsored episode with Fluid Cloud and they're here to talk about multicloud and hybrid cloud portability.

Migrations can be painful. Even moving IAM policies can be difficult.

We’ll talk with Fluid Cloud founders Sherad Kumar and Harshed Omar about easing that pain.

Introduction of guests and request for background information.

Sherad introduces himself as CEO and co-founder of Fluid Cloud, describing the company history and partnership.

Harshett introduces himself as CTO and explains their complementary skillsets and DevOps focus.

Discussion about their experience with startups and inspiration behind Fluid Cloud.

Story of previous company acquisition (Acurix) and the pain of cloud migration taking 9 months.

Explanation of migration challenges, security blockers, and idea of automation.

Research into migration pain points, ecosystem, and founding Fluid Cloud in August 2024.

Industry changes (BSL license, VMware acquisition, geopolitics) driving multicloud demand.

Host shares consulting experience with slow and complex migrations.

Discussion of real-world challenges: security constraints, pipelines, and complexity.

Differences between AWS, Azure, GCP APIs and complexity of multi-cloud knowledge.

Challenges with Terraform state files and lack of consolidation.

Data migration complexity and tooling limitations.

Unknown incompatibilities and surprises during migrations.

Discussion on vendor lock-in and difficulty leaving cloud providers.

Handling proprietary services like AWS Aurora and migration trade-offs.

Fluid Cloud compatibility scoring and mapping across cloud providers.

Explanation of IaaS vs PaaS portability challenges.

Enterprises typically use only a subset of cloud services.

Example case: migration reduced from 8 weeks to 1 day for infrastructure.

Discovery and scanning speed improvements (100k resources in 60 seconds).

Importance of identifying incompatibilities early.

Cost optimization and decision-making using compatibility scores.

Use case: moving workloads between regions for cost savings.

VMware pricing changes and motivation for migration.

Support for VMware to cloud or Nutanix migrations.

Focus on infrastructure layer only (not app/data).

Automation of networking rules and IAM migration.

Terraform output and deployment flexibility.

Importance of Terraform state synchronization and versioning.

Clarification on resilience vs simple infrastructure scanning.

IAM and permissions mapping challenges across clouds.

Example of automating 1500 users and 200 roles migration.

Deep technical discussion on IAM differences between AWS and Azure.

Handling resource groups and permissions mapping logic.

Custom roles vs managed roles complexity.

Explanation of landing zones and infrastructure cloning.

Analogy of cloud migration as moving water between bottles.

Advanced landing zone creation matching source environment.

Use case: tenant sharding and environment replication.

Enterprise use cases with constant restructuring and M&A.

Consulting example of VMware migration challenges.

Cloud vendor incentives and switching behavior.

Redefining true multicloud vs just using multiple clouds.

Cloud sync feature for cross-cloud deployments.

Example of multi-cloud customer requirement.

Startup challenges adapting to different cloud providers.

Contact information and demo instructions.

Closing remarks and community links.

Podcast outro and community invitation.